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Paul and Jack Spirko talk about "lessons from the forest" in this podcast: podcast. They talk about the relationship between trees and water (not needing to irrigate)

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I can't really say if the Sahara was created by cutting down trees or not, but it doesn't seem likely the reason for cutting down the trees would be to grow crops. The Sahara was formed about 5000BC...

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Paul's presentation on Replacing Irrigation with Permaculture at the Inland Northwest Permaculture Convergence:...

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Paul and Skeeter talk about keyline systems in this podcast: http://www.richsoil.com/permaculture/422-podcast-072-keyline-systems/

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mrchuck wrote: That Groasis waterboxx seems like an excellent solution to the dilemma of "Its too much dam work to water my trees every day!" Watering once a month compared to once a day in the desert...

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That Groasis waterboxx seems like an excellent solution to the dilemma of "Its too much dam work to water my trees every day!" Watering once a month compared to once a day in the desert climate, man,...

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Off The Grid wrote: Groasis Waterboxx.  Two words for you.  Yes, I've seem them and they look to be very effective. I find them to be a little expensive, but in the end, they might well be more...

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AZGuy wrote:I am experimenting with zero pressure irrigation to start growing trees/foliage and building the soil. I don't want to leave my well pump powered when I'm away, in case of leaks or...

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SILVERSEEDS wrote: Remembered another one, im not sure was covered.... "dust" mulching. this is a tactic of real dry areas. because of how water evaporates, if the surface of the soil is wet, it will...

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Emerson White wrote: As temperature falls the partial pressure of water falls, which causes the water in the air to be squeezed out onto cool surfaces, this is due. The more humidity you get into the...

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Jack Spirko does a podcast where he effectively interviews me, but I'm not there!  So much easier!    Jack presents a lot of his own original thoughts on replacing irrigation with permaculture.  Very...

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podcast:  http://www.richsoil.com/permaculture/340-podcast-047-gaias-garden-chapter-5/

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This is me at the Missoula public library answering questions after we watched a Sepp Holzer movie. The question is how do you raise water sensitive garden plants without irrigation. Techniques listed...

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Hi all, I'm new to the forum, having come over after hearing Paul's interviews with Jack Spirko at thesurvivalpodcast.com . Those were excellent episodes, and the whole aspect of permaculture and...

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Remembered another one, im not sure was covered.... "dust" mulching. this is a tactic of real dry areas. because of how water evaporates, if the surface of the soil is wet, it will happen faster then...

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Perhaps I should have said that it's important to remember that your time is not with out environmental costs.

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Emerson White wrote: It's important to remember that your time is not free. No offense, but that is a matter of opinion.

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Mekka Pakanohida wrote: Build one yourself via recycled materials and then it costs nothing.  If Michael Reynolds, the maker of "Earthships" can do it, so can we. what type of materials? i cant...

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It's important to remember that your time is not free. If you work 10,000 hours on a building and are not gardening then it's safe to say that all the resources that went into getting you fed and...

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SILVERSEEDS wrote: Well permaculture can be as cheap or expensive as you need or can afford. setting up something to fill a cistern which was what i was talking about in the quoted part here though...

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If you have a new topic, you can start a new thread.  Please stay on topic.  This topic is about replacing irrigation with permaculture. (I just split some new posts to a new thread)

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Mekka Pakanohida wrote: Permaculture doesn't have to be expensive at all to set up, in any format.  Well permaculture can be as cheap or expensive as you need or can afford. setting up something to...

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I divided this thread into two threads.  The other thread is still hidden for now and covers lots of topics that don't really stick to this topic.  If I get time I'll move some of that stuff back....

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SILVERSEEDS wrote:    Funny thing is your talking to a person whos spending the summer building a half acre catchment among other things. Yes i know it can be done larger scale. Its rather expensive...

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The more i think i learn the more comfused im getting. Im looking at 15 acers in arkansas, all i can think is what would the great Sepp Holster do with this ? 800 feet above sea leavel. What should i...

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   Funny thing is your talking to a person whos spending the summer building a half acre catchment among other things. Yes i know it can be done larger scale. Its rather expensive though in my case...

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Additionally you can do things like making a pond at the bottom of a hill, the updraft from the hill carries humid air off the pond and then when temps drop the moisture is wrung out onto the...

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  amazing. ive never come across this until now.... Im working on a small pond this summer actually, i will have to make sure i maximize the potential interaction with my hillside. It is not a variable...

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As temperature falls the partial pressure of water falls, which causes the water in the air to be squeezed out onto cool surfaces, this is due. The more humidity you get into the air before the...

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5) raise humidity for more morning dew Can anyone explain this one?

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  that is very good news!!!  still not exactly mainstream yet. It will be in time, its simple math in my mind.

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Pneal wrote: I'm currently designing a drip irrigation system for our project in Saudi Arabia but we plan to turn the system off after 3-5 years.  Once our mountain is reforested and we have actual...

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      Hello Forum. Im new here if that wasnt obvious.       Theres a few things you could add to the list in regards to saving water.       One would be biochar. This does other important things as...

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PS. Just in case I was a little harsh in previous post: I super appreciate you putting this together Paul! I can't wait for the article to come out and then I'll get it translated into French because...

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To Riki's topic: I make deep furrows and sow seeds in there. Sometimes I'll cover with a window or some plastic or cardboard something to keep moist, but 9 times out of 10 just having deep furrows will...

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My main time for irrigation is when I first plant the seeds.  They are so shallow and that is the first soil to dry out.  If I mulch a lot, won't that shade the seeds?  I spend weeks clearing weeds and...

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Paul said: "This also sounds like permaculture to me. The key is organic matter.  You can either truck in organic matter, or you can truck in tubes/hoses/equipment plus water to build your own organic...

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I am currently trucking in organic matter as I commute from Jeddah, and I'll be demonstrating a compost pile with my workers starting in a week.  Another thing we want to do with our irrigation system...

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Pneal wrote: I'm currently designing a drip irrigation system for our project in Saudi Arabia but we plan to turn the system off after 3-5 years.  Once our mountain is reforested and we have actual...

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paul wheaton wrote: it is my arrogant and obnoxiuous opinion that a good permaculture system has eliminated irrigation. This might mean the permaculturist has to change her diet, if she likes to eat...

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I'm currently designing a drip irrigation system for our project in Saudi Arabia but we plan to turn the system off after 3-5 years.  Once our mountain is reforested and we have actual foliage that we...

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Granted, there are scads of ideas of what permaculture is and what irrigation is. For me, based on my knowledge set at this time, it is my arrogant and obnoxiuous opinion that a good permaculture...

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Paul, I'm having a hard time with the title.  We don't replace irrigation with permaculture, we change how we irrigate as part of permaculture. 

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My current irrigation is coal-powered.  That makes me very unhappy. 

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fiveandahalffarm wrote: How is it that irrigation is an industrial/oil based crutch? maybe not any kind of irrigation, but California has massive, subsidized irrigation works so they can grow...

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i'm on 5.5's side of the fence i think... right now i'm procuring plastic pickle barrels to piece together a mostly passive rain catchment/drip system run off a water-timer(zero pressure model) it'll...

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Mt.goat wrote: Thank you Paul for your efforts!If Permaculture is to be anything different than convention,than it better explore the uniqueness of its solutions and offer working examples to the...

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A new podcast with jack on this very topic:  http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/elimination-of-irrigation

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Thank you Paul for your efforts!If Permaculture is to be anything different than convention,than it better explore the uniqueness of its solutions and offer working examples to the public.As a permi...

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apparently ( 8 ) is a smiley face? (

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